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aral
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

23 Jul 2017 16:13

Nathy wrote:
What a wonderful list of people! Fan of many of them for some time.


Thanks, same here :)

Nathy wrote:
Her are a team(s) and a person I would love to have in the group or somehow ad to the DiEM25 mix … The team of Framasoft https://framasoft.org/ in France


Ah, yes, of course – I do know of them; they seem to be lovely folks and they also translated my Encouraging Individual Sovereignty and a Healthy Commons article into French. Do you know of anyone there you would particularly recommend that we reach out to?

Nathy wrote:
Then there is this brave MEP Julia Reda https://juliareda.eu/en/ … Whose hard work I got to know through OpenMedia (Canada, https://openmedia.org/) and their campaign, among many others worldwide, on “EU copyright policy” at EP. A recent campaign from OpenMedia is on strong encryption in the UK.


I know Julia and I’m a big fan of her work. Let’s definitely add her to the list – her area of expertise (copyright) will be very helpful if she has time to be involved :)

Nathy wrote:
Anybody you know at EFF?


Not off the top of my head. I’m usually hesitant with American organisations (e.g., see https://ar.al/notes/rightscon-or-a-right-con/ regarding AccessNow) but I’m open to suggestions about the EFF if you know of anyone.
 
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

23 Jul 2017 16:25

Hi Aral,

Unfortunately I do not know anyone in particular at Framasoft and EFF or anywhere else in this field.

I am just an end user.

Nathalie
 
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

23 Jul 2017 16:28

Nathy wrote:
Unfortunately I do not know anyone in particular at Framasoft and EFF or anywhere else in this field … I am just an end user.


Nathalie, you’re far more than an “end user” – you’re a person and a citizen first (oh, how I do loathe the term “user”) ;)

(And no worries, we’ll add “someone from Framasoft” to the list and contact them for advice.) :)
 
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

23 Jul 2017 16:49

Hello,
I have nothing to add...but from my point of view is this a wonderful idea. Good luck...!
 
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aral
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

23 Jul 2017 16:59

Michael Fromm wrote:
Hello,
I have nothing to add...but from my point of view is this a wonderful idea. Good luck...!


Thank you, Michael – appreciate your support! :)
 
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

23 Jul 2017 18:49

Some suggestions of people in my field:

- Peter-Paul Verbeek, Netherlands, philosopher of technology: http://www.ppverbeek.nl/
- Mark Coeckelbergh, Austria, philosopher of technology: https://coeckelbergh.wordpress.com/ ; interested in robotics, fintech
- Quinn DuPont, Canada, philosopher of technology: http://iqdupont.com/ ; history of computing, blockchain tech
- Laura Fichtner, Netherlands, ethics/ surveillance studies: http://ethicsandtechnology.eu/member/laura-fichtner/
- Michael Nagenborg, Netherlands, ethics/ surveillance - smart cities: https://www.utwente.nl/en/bms/wijsb/staff/nagenborg/
- Michel Puech, France, philosophy of technology - https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Puech

I could contact all these people in case clear instructions/expectations can be provided.

Final personal note: I think we should be critical about the general ideological background of people in the working group. For instance, I know that Snowden seems like a good contributor and I personally like what he does; but his political stance might not really coincide with DiEM25. Just a thing to consider.
 
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Re: Working Group

23 Jul 2017 21:13

aral wrote:
lauramezzanotte wrote:
As a real amateur in the field of fighting Surveillance Capitalism I find very interesting the work of an Italian Collective working under the name of Ippolita ( http://www.ippolita.net/ ).


Thank you for the recommendation, Laura. Unfortunately, this is where my limited linguistic abilities fail me. Would someone fluent in Italian (perhaps you, Laura?) be able to give me a summary of their work and/or name some of their prominent members?


This is a presentation in English: http://www.ippolita.net/en/who. Some of the books are also available in English.
Anyway they work as a collective, no personal identities (you might know Wu Ming, different work same method).
 
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

24 Jul 2017 12:58

aral wrote:
To help us draft the technology pillar and to add legitimacy to our work, we will be creating an international working group of experts in the field of computers, the Internet, and ethics.


This looks to me like putting the cart before the horse. I'd prefer a bottom-up approach.

As a first step, there should be an evaluation of already available solutions for collaborative working, prefereable FOSS of course. The the minimal attributes, that should be collected are name of the tool, scope of application, licence, already in use. This way local DSCs can provide information about already in-use alternatives and share theier experience.

Another important issue is usability. Most DiEMers must be considered as not 'tech-savvy'. In order to not exclude those people from technical obstacles, the migration from commercial solutions to alternatives should be as smoth and hasslefree as possible.

E.g. There is Diaspora, which is an alternative to facebook. You can register with diaspora and many diaspora-instances (called 'pod') provide a gateway to facebook. Facebook-users can connect their facebook-profile with their diaspora account, so their diaspora postings will be mirrored to their facebook-timeline. For facebook-users, who also use facebook for their private contacts, the checking of two tools is intermittent inevitable, if we do not want to loose potential fellows with privacy concern - which already happened at DSC munich. But this is imho the only way to overcome the facebook-monopoly.

Our goal should be a community-owned infrastructure that substitute commercial data-sinks.
 
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

24 Jul 2017 13:21

From the DSC list:

At least in a transitionary period, we could consider a third option:
commercial software operated within our organization.

For example, there is no way we are going to get as good spam handling as Gmail or the capabilities of Google search with free tools.
However, DiEM could run an instance internally.
Thereby, we would get all the advantages of the platform,
while ensuring the privacy of our members.
 
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Re: Working Group / Advisory Panel

25 Jul 2017 12:53

Hi citoyen77,

I think you should post again your reply here above in the following topic from Aral so that a maximum of members can follow up on it:

Regarding transparency, communication, tech, and the Internet of People initiative at DiEM

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=14493

From the plan outlined by Aral in that topic, I can already see internal experts, and why not internal no 'tech-savvy' end users ;) , ending up in this working group - advisory panel.

Nathalie